In this episode, John Kozicki (Michigan Rock School and RockSchoolProprietor.com) and Mandy York (Music Time of Milford) reflect on the recent passing of Greg Hipskind, founder of QC Rock Academy, and how his authenticity, dedication to teaching, and focus on community created an enduring legacy beyond running a business.
This episode explores purpose-driven daily choices, the power of live music and student opportunities, and practical questions about preparing a music school to continue and serve its community without its founder.
In this episode:
- Purpose-driven actions lead to a meaningful legacy.
- Creating a culture of impact requires dedication and authenticity.
- Leadership plays a crucial role in sustaining a school’s mission.
- Engaging with the community enhances the music education experience.
- Advocating for music education fosters a supportive environment.
- Legacy is about more than business; it’s about the impact on lives.
If you’ve not listened to Episode 26: Greg Hipskind | Building a Rock Solid Culture, it is highly recommended as a companion to this episode.
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Episode Transcript:
John Kozicki (00:01.505)
Welcome to Rock School Proprietor Podcast. My name is Jon Kozicki.
Mandy (00:06.049)
And I’m Mandy York.
John Kozicki (00:07.668)
And it’s good to see you, Mandy. We have had a couple weeks off from the two of us talking. Last week, I was at the NAMM show as we’re recording this right now. I was at the NAMM show to speak, which was really fun.
Mandy (00:25.954)
Yes, so exciting for you. I love it.
John Kozicki (00:28.82)
I got to meet a bunch. I don’t know. Well, a bunch. I mean, I met like a decent amount of people who have been on the podcast. Met some people who I know listen to the podcast, met people who are in the music lesson world at the NAMM convention. So overall, it was a really good experience. I’ll do the I got to do the quick shout outs, right?
of the our guests. Jenny Townsend from the music compound. She’s been on the podcast. Eric Branagh from funds and make music he was there. And he’s been on the podcast all these people you know, go listen to their episodes. Mike grande from rock out loud and card courts. He’s been on the podcast three times. And let me tell you, meeting Mike in person now I know
Mandy (00:58.318)
yeah.
Mandy (01:22.19)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (01:28.114)
When he was on the podcast, I did those interviews and you weren’t part of those interviews. Mike’s got a huge personality. And I think that that comes across in the podcasts, but man, in person, even larger. He was awesome. Rob Spampinato from Rob’s School of Music was there. We had to get him back on the podcast.
Sam Lelouch from Opus One and his team, all of those people had a wonderful time with and overall great experience at NAMM.
Mandy (02:07.682)
Awesome. That’s so cool that you got to go speak. Sweet.
John Kozicki (02:10.227)
Mm It was fun. It was fun. Now, as fun as that was, shifting gears drastically to what we’re going to talk about today. Man, where do I start? One of our podcast guests from very early on, like episode 26, Greg Hipskin from QC Rock Academy. He
I he passed away earlier this month, or I guess the end of Yeah, it was the very beginning of January. And Greg and I, like I felt a really strong connection with Greg from first medium years and years and years ago, because he and I both run rock schools, we do very similar things. And we just, we just clicked, you know, we just connected.
And, you know, he, like we would talk back and forth. We talked about like, it would be great if, if like, he brought his student bands on tour with my student bands and with like, we had like crazy plans at one point. But yeah, beginning in January, I actually missed a phone call from another music school friend. That and he was calling to tell me that Greg passed away unexpectedly.
And the like, I don’t want to make this like really a memorialization episode. And I’ll sort of get to what I’d like to talk about more about the legacy that Greg left and how I think that’s a great example for Greg said like an amazing example.
for us as music school owners to make an incredible impact in our community with students and leave this lasting legacy that kind of supersedes us as the people running the schools.
Mandy (04:09.917)
yeah.
Mandy (04:28.675)
yeah, mm-hmm, definitely.
John Kozicki (04:30.279)
I don’t know. You know, when we talked, like I know you didn’t know Greg the same way I did, but you met him when we interviewed him on the podcast. He, you had mentioned to me before we started recording, he made a point of when he was coming through Michigan this past summer, he made a point of meeting up with us, which is pretty big.
Mandy (04:41.048)
Mm-hmm.
Mandy (04:55.458)
Yeah. Yes, it was super cool of him to do that. It was neat.
John Kozicki (05:01.331)
What was your impression of Greg? Because I think I just want to understand your impression so I can draw comparisons to like what I’ve seen in his school.
Mandy (05:14.382)
No, mean, he definitely left an impression on me after our podcast interview. He was just so infectious and passionate. He really, he made me smile. And I was so impressed with all of his, all of the things he was doing in his school, right? That was what
John Kozicki (05:22.835)
Mm-hmm.
Mandy (05:42.508)
was really inspiring the way he just made things happen. Bringing in, you know, musicians to come talk to his kids, taking his kids on tour. The number of performances that he had his kids doing every year, you know, he was really getting them out there, really doing. He was like a mover and a shaker and it was super cool to talk to him.
John Kozicki (05:51.665)
Right, touring artists.
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (06:01.457)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (06:08.581)
Yeah, I don’t remember. I don’t remember the number of performances that he did with his students. And we’re talking like full band performances, singing the national anthem at sporting events. like paid gigs too. He would do paid gigs with his students. I want to say when when we talked to him, the number that he mentioned was somewhere like. I don’t like.
Mandy (06:26.264)
Yeah, yeah.
John Kozicki (06:37.203)
70 some performances that year is like crazy. Yeah. Yeah, significant.
Mandy (06:39.982)
Yeah. I was going to say 80 something. It was, it was high. Yeah. It was very surprising when he threw that out. Yeah. Um, it, and I, I love talking to him because, um, you know, I know I don’t run a rock school, but you know, we’re, we’re out here like teaching the kids, running the studios. That was one thing about him. He, I think he, he was still teaching quite a bit, you know? Yes.
John Kozicki (07:07.111)
a lot. Yeah, in fact, I, I had some conversation with him and then some texting back and forth. And like it was right before Christmas. He was at the time he was
Mandy (07:19.779)
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (07:25.817)
he I think he was repainting and putting new new carpet in the studio. And but I think the previous conversation that we had, he was still saying like, Yeah, I’m teaching this much and this much. And I’ve like, Yeah, the new students, I’m not taking them on anymore. He just loved it, though. You know, he loved. He loved being in there with the students with the bands and in private lessons. And, like I could see and
Mandy (07:44.558)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (07:53.875)
probably sharing too much right now, because this is maybe more personal, I could see him struggling in our conversations with how much time he’s spending teaching and like the push and pull between like his family time and like the teaching time. You know, and I think we all struggle with that. But it in my mind, that’s like, that’s this real testament to
how dedicated he was, like on a level that’s like just below his family, right? He was that dedicated to his school and to his students and to everything that he was doing. That’s something.
Mandy (08:33.198)
Mm-hmm.
Mandy (08:43.18)
Yeah, it’s really amazing. I remember being able to relate to him on that note that, you know, I’m in the classroom a lot. That’s what I really like to do. And that inner struggle of like, you know, you don’t want to give up teaching, but you know, you’re also running the business and finding balance. We all go through that, but he really did have that passion for being with the students and in the teaching space.
John Kozicki (08:51.602)
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (08:58.566)
rain.
John Kozicki (09:08.252)
So what? Yeah. And I mentioned like, I don’t know if I want this like we can’t sit here and memorialize Greg the whole time. I mean, we could, but what it really got me thinking about, cause man, I’ll tell you the, the week following this news and even, even longer, my, my thoughts went to things like, I mean, first how my school is so similar to Greg’s, you know, and, like,
Mandy (09:14.229)
No, right, right.
John Kozicki (09:38.699)
I have. I mean, I love being there. I love being involved with the students and like what we’re doing. But you know, I started thinking like, man, have I have I done? What I need to do to set up my school like if if something happened to me like could it go on? You know, have I? And this is a whole separate thing. And but have I put in place?
like the things I need with my staff and like even my family, that they would know how to unpackage everything I do if I couldn’t do it. It’s like, and those, I mean, those are really more kind of like logistical things, but.
Mandy (10:19.33)
praying.
John Kozicki (10:32.154)
You know what, what Greg did with his school, think it transcends just him making a living from, from his school, from doing what he loved and providing jobs for fellow musicians and his staff. Like he really created this lasting legacy with his school. And, you know, you had mentioned to me before we got on that you aren’t
really doing social media right now. So you didn’t. Well, I mean, after I told you, I think it sounds like you went and looked on social media. But for like two weeks after this, I mean, I kept seeing on my social media feed. News stories about Greg from like Iowa news stations, radio station stories, venues, just like.
So many for like a couple of weeks, you know that that’s amazing. Right?
Mandy (11:36.525)
Yeah.
Mandy (11:39.894)
Yeah, was, yeah, it was really something to, you know, hear the news and then, yeah, I did. I saw the same thing, all those new stories and the outpouring from the community. He left, he left a serious impression in that community. And like you’re saying, you you talked about the logistical things of, you know, can my studio go on without me being there? But.
more importantly, like, what are you doing now in the lives of all of these people that is going to last? Right? These people, they’re going to remember Greg for the rest of their lives, you know, and what he did. That’s so incredible. It’s, if I could say, I’ve something I’ve thought about a little bit lately. Just reading the news and being the, the
John Kozicki (12:16.92)
Mm-hmm. Right.
John Kozicki (12:21.36)
Yeah, yeah.
Mandy (12:39.404)
the state of our country right now without going into detail, right? It’s, it’s tough times, right? And we all have different emotions and feelings about it. and I, I feel like when I’m in my studio and teaching and working with these families, like at least that space, at least that space is one of like joy and
John Kozicki (12:41.247)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Sure.
Mandy (13:08.526)
peace and community. mean, that’s what we talked a lot with Greg about was culture and community. So right now that’s what, what we’re doing and focusing on that helps me get through the day. And what, what a huge community and so much joy that, that he, he spread. So that’s the other side of it, right? I think like the logistical piece, but then also that.
John Kozicki (13:11.281)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (13:15.728)
Yes.
John Kozicki (13:35.217)
Right.
Mandy (13:39.426)
Man, that impact.
John Kozicki (13:41.542)
Well, yeah, and that exactly is what I thought we would talk about today. And I don’t I don’t know if this is something that we can really
it’s not going to be like, hey, just do this, right? These are the steps you take to like make your music school into like this amazing place and like leave a lasting legacy. It’s, mean, you know, I think it’s there’s, there was something inherent with just who Greg was and his authenticity and like how he somehow managed to
Mandy (13:58.99)
Yeah!
John Kozicki (14:23.442)
that into his school so much so that it inspired everyone involved to do the same. And that’s how he created this lasting legacy. like, did he do it on purpose? I can’t imagine it was something that was like strategic, you know, but
What I do think it was, and maybe this is the strategic part, is I think he just knew who he was and he acted in a way that was just that authentic. And there was no question about that authenticity. Like so much so that, again, because going back to, well,
Mandy (15:07.832)
Mm-hmm.
Mandy (15:11.672)
Right. Yep.
John Kozicki (15:19.088)
what would happen with my school? If you know, I couldn’t run it tomorrow, or if I was gone or whatever. I’m gonna try not to cry here because I like was brought to tears when I saw Greg’s, Greg called him his wingman. Billy Gardner is like one of his guitar instructors had been, he started the school with him like since day one. He shared a picture of him and Greg and he said, don’t worry, Greg, I got this.
Mandy (15:49.05)
wow, yeah. Yeah.
John Kozicki (15:51.13)
Right. And that’s and that’s the kind of thing where like someone else to kind of sweep in and like Greg had to have given Billy this sense that like I can do this. Right. These are huge shoes to fill. But I’m ready to I’m ready to do this because everything’s already in place. You know how we run things, how we do things.
Mandy (16:10.036)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
John Kozicki (16:18.979)
It’s just a matter of like keeping that going.
Mandy (16:22.134)
And Billy recognizes that it’s this thing is bigger than Greg, right? And that it can’t, it can’t go away just because Greg’s not there, right? He’s, he’s taking it up because he knows how important it is. That is powerful.
John Kozicki (16:27.439)
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (16:32.367)
Right. And yeah.
John Kozicki (16:39.095)
Right. Okay. So I think the theme then for the conversation is purpose. Right. I think that’s like the all encompassing theme here on like creating a legacy with what you do is it’s like and it’s going to be different for everyone. I mean, for me, like I connect with what Greg’s doing because I’m doing something similar. But for any other studio, it’s about like, what really is your purpose?
And how do you embody that in everything you do? I mean, I had a few conversation starters, some points that I thought we could kind of riff on. But the first one is legacy is built from operating with purpose. Again, that theme of purpose.
And kind of referencing back to Greg, I think it’s got to be like those daily decisions that you make are just all focused on this is what we do, right? It’s just what we do and this is how we do it. And that authenticity. I don’t know, thoughts?
Mandy (17:58.796)
Yeah, no, I think that’s great. It’s, I think it’s James Clear that says, maybe, don’t quote me, but every, every decision you make, or every action you take is a vote for the kind of person that you want to be. I really like that personally. So relating it to the studio, every decision you make, right, is
John Kozicki (18:21.368)
Mm, okay.
Mandy (18:28.746)
A vote is impacting who you are, your purpose, your culture, what you are creating, right? So yeah, those daily decisions being made with intention. You keep saying authenticity too, and I think that’s really key to all of this. Greg was very authentic, and as you said, it’s
John Kozicki (18:47.761)
Mm-hmm.
Mandy (18:55.64)
We’re not all doing things the same way because our authentic selves are all different. But as long as you are being authentic, you’ll thrive. I mean, I really believe that, being your authentic self.
John Kozicki (19:10.501)
What’s strange about this to me in thinking about?
Like, I mean, clearly it’s doable, right? To create, I mean, you we run businesses, right? To create a business, maybe it’s not creating a business that is the legacy. Maybe it’s like the culture. Maybe that’s the key. Because like I, in trying to figure out how we were gonna run this episode, I was like, well, let me do a little searching on
Mandy (19:41.582)
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (19:47.088)
like maybe better known businesses that have created these legacies. And like some of them came, like I looked at some of them. It’s like this healthcare company. It’s like the closest I found of like just lists of these are the businesses that have, you know, implemented strong cultures and put legacy first and blah, blah. It just all seems.
Mandy (19:58.51)
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (20:16.803)
not authentic because it feels so businessy. Patagonia was the only one that I was like, yeah, maybe because I mean, they Patagonia has got this history of like foregoing certain aspects of profitability for like environmental pursuits. So I mean, there’s something there. I recently listened to a podcast that
Mandy (20:17.934)
Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Mandy (20:40.046)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (20:45.937)
talked with the folks, you probably don’t know D’Addario. They’re like a string manufacturer. They do a lot of like music accessories. Like I think they’re into drumheads now and as they’ve diversified. But D’Addario is a guitar string manufacturer that started making guitar strings over 100 years ago. And it’s a family run business and it’s still a family run business today. And there’s
this secession plan for, okay, like when this generation is in charge of the company and they’re done, then the next generation. like that I can see is, that is leaving a legacy.
They in that I think it was in the podcast. Hold on, let me look in my notes here. yeah, here it is. D’Addario treats the company as something that they are temporarily temporarily responsible for, not something to extract from. And that mindset is rare and very teachable. I’m well, that might not be right. I don’t think I might have typo that.
That mindset is rare. I don’t know if it’s teachable. Maybe it’s teachable. I don’t know. But the idea of like, I don’t, I don’t own this thing. Right? I’m just kind of like steering the ship.
Mandy (22:08.974)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mandy (22:19.47)
Yeah, yep.
Mandy (22:26.23)
It’s bigger than me, than just me, and when I’m not at the helm, someone else will take it up. Right? Yeah.
John Kozicki (22:26.606)
That… Yeah.
John Kozicki (22:34.008)
Yeah. Yeah. And it’s funny. mean, like I’m, I’m all about like,
I’m all about trying to create experiences and
doing these things with our students that are going to create an impact. But I have also in my notes, Greg didn’t create impact because he talked about making an impact. He created a school and culture where the impact became the inevitable result.
John Kozicki (23:07.216)
Like it’s such a fine line, right?
Mandy (23:09.72)
Right.
John Kozicki (23:11.376)
I mean, it’s one of those things are and this again comes back to purpose and authenticity is like you can’t force being impactful. I think right. It’s just like. It really is about like real connection, you know.
Mandy (23:23.288)
Right. Mm-hmm.
Mandy (23:31.214)
Yep, it’s born of that authenticity, that connection, that drive to create something outside of you for others, right? Yeah. For others.
John Kozicki (23:43.045)
There you go. For others, I mean, that trails into these thoughts of a purposeful existence, And being in service of people. And then the return sort of naturally comes. It takes a lot of faith to do that, right? To just say like,
Mandy (23:57.794)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (24:13.196)
I’m going to do this because I believe it’s what I should do. And I’m going to trust that I’m going to reap the benefits. Over time, whenever, right? Yeah. I also know that Greg welcomed, I mean, he said this on the, on the podcast when he was on, he welcomed feedback from his instructors on like, if they have ideas for events or shows and like, yeah, come to me and talk.
Mandy (24:25.326)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mandy (24:40.543)
yeah.
John Kozicki (24:42.746)
me. So
Mandy (24:44.108)
He was very open. I mean, he had, I want to say, multiple instructors that were with him for a decade or maybe more. Like, that retention says a lot, about the culture that he built there.
John Kozicki (24:51.673)
Yeah, I think so.
John Kozicki (24:58.552)
Yeah, all right, how about this one? Another one of my bullet point notes that we can maybe riff on. Community impact beyond building and growing a business. And then I posed the question, what does it mean for us as music school owners? And how does this show up? Right, especially in Greg’s passing, like Greg’s school, for sure, I can say this without,
Mandy (24:59.394)
Yum.
John Kozicki (25:28.772)
without question, it was like a second home for a lot of his students, I’m sure.
Mandy (25:34.541)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (25:37.102)
Right? Definitely like this. How do you like and but how do you do that? You know, how do just be like, I want to I want people to you can’t force it. I want people to think of this place as as like a second home.
Mandy (25:37.902)
Yeah.
Mandy (25:52.067)
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, he, he always loved music. He wanted to be a rock star, right? He was a musician. He was a musician first, before he opened the school. And I think that was part of his authentic self was like, I have this thing that is so fun and so cool and you’re going to love it. And it’s going, you know, it’s going to bring people together and, you know,
John Kozicki (26:01.168)
Yes. Yeah.
Mandy (26:24.002)
And he opened the doors to them. So it wasn’t, okay, I’m going to open this school and I need this many students, for profitability. And how am I going to make it a place that they will, will be fun? Should I get a foosball table or, know, it wasn’t that it was, this is a really cool thing. I need to open the doors and yeah. And again, it’s infectious. He was.
John Kozicki (26:43.119)
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (26:51.364)
That’s.
Mandy (26:53.822)
spreading that musical joy.
John Kozicki (26:56.484)
I love that point. Like, and you know, I’ve got an arcade, an arcade machine at mind, but you made the point, which is like,
Mandy (27:02.669)
Yes.
John Kozicki (27:08.162)
It’s not just because the foosball you get a foosball table and then all of a sudden like.
And I think about this with my own school a lot. This like doing that thing music like we do this like I’ve always done it like Greg’s always done it. That is the thing. That. It’s the glue that kind of keeps it together. That is the fun thing, right? So not being patronizing with our students. And saying like, well, this is what you got to do. Just.
Mandy (27:37.314)
Yes.
John Kozicki (27:46.192)
Come do this thing with me. Come do this thing with me and these other kids. And that’s the thing. Yeah.
Mandy (27:52.611)
Yeah.
We’re gonna make something, we’re making something, and then we’re gonna go into our community and we’re gonna share that thing. Yeah.
John Kozicki (28:01.508)
Right? Yeah. Well, and, and I had another note advocating for music, live music, playing with others locally. It’s like this grassroots advocacy, right? That’s something that Greg did something that I like to do. and the people being grounded in your school, that creates that cultural anchor. You know, you are no longer just the service provider of music lessons.
that is, I mean, that’s the vehicle, right? That is like, that is the vehicle you’re using to make this greater cultural connection with people.
Mandy (28:34.712)
Yeah.
Mandy (28:45.152)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
John Kozicki (28:50.448)
Okay, I got one more. You all right? This is heavy.
Mandy (28:52.942)
Oh, okay. Yeah, man. It’s really heavy. It’s, it’s really heavy. It’s, it’s also like so beautiful at the same time. You know what I mean? Like what he did was really beautiful.
John Kozicki (29:15.506)
don’t cry. If you cry, I’m gonna cry. deep breath. Okay. All right. okay. Can we prepare our schools to continue without us? Is it even possible?
Mandy (29:23.34)
Yeah, got it. Next point.
Mandy (29:41.868)
Yes. Short answer. Yes, it’s possible.
I mean, I really…
I believe in that and I hope for that with QC Rock School, right? And clearly there’s an effort already being made for that.
John Kozicki (29:55.236)
Okay. Yeah.
Mandy (30:04.564)
in my school, in my life.
I don’t know. feel like maybe. Maybe. I do so. I mean, this is just, this is me. This is just personally, like I do a lot of the teaching. Other people would have to, you know, take up the reins.
John Kozicki (30:13.423)
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (30:26.083)
Well, and to be like clear about this.
I’m not saying this is for everyone, right? This is like, but just is creating a legacy important, right? Here’s my distinction between, I’m gonna make two distinctions in around that question. Can we prepare our schools to continue without us?
Mandy (30:34.465)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (31:01.806)
I think.
John Kozicki (31:05.293)
Like the can we from the business perspective? Well, of course it’s possible because we see that with businesses all the time. But what that really is from the owner’s perspective is that’s an exit strategy. And like in the business world, that’s like kind of this sexy term. well, you know, I’m gonna…
Mandy (31:22.83)
Right. Yes.
John Kozicki (31:31.851)
set up my systems and my processes so that this thing can run without me and then I can go off and do these other things or like I can sell the business or whatever and and that’s this optional thing right but I think with that mindset of the exit strategy also comes a little bit of like I don’t care what happens after I exit.
John Kozicki (31:59.404)
So that’s one aspect of this.
that’s not what we’re talking about at all with this.
Mandy (32:05.672)
No, no, no.
John Kozicki (32:12.545)
this is again this is about like
that deeper thing. Because yeah, like systems can keep things running in your absence. legacy involves more. It means again, we’ve mentioned this already, but it’s the culture and the mission that also continue. Right? Like Billy, who’s running QC Rock Academy now. Yeah.
Mandy (32:23.714)
guess.
John Kozicki (32:46.307)
I mean, the day to day, like the paying the bills and that kind of stuff and the scheduling and all that other stuff, all right, that’s in his lap. like, that alone isn’t going to keep the culture running. like, I trust that like, Billy gets that, you know?
Mandy (33:08.782)
Oh yeah. Yeah. mean, the people that, that take the helm need to, I mean, Billy was part of that, that culture. I’m, I do trust that too. mean, he, he was, he’s gonna, you know, keep, keep doing the good work that, that Greg was doing. Um, I also think that when you’re established, it’s the
the community keeps it going too, right? Yeah. So if you’ve established that really strong community, they keep it going. know, it’s there already.
John Kozicki (33:39.319)
Yes. Yeah.
John Kozicki (33:50.478)
rights. And going back to what you were saying, saying about the amount of just like, support after the fact and like, again, the like, the news stories like many not just like, hey, this thing happened, right? And our community lost this person. Just multiple news stories and
like this benefit I know there’s a benefit concert coming up in a couple weeks the
He did it. You know, I mean, like no one wants it to go this way, but it’s pretty amazing that like, yes, the community recognizes like, well, this is what we’re supposed to do now. And this is what we’ve always done. And this is what we’re going to continue to do.
Mandy (34:30.2)
Mm-hmm, yeah.
Mandy (34:45.344)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Mandy (34:53.838)
Yeah. Like I said, that’s really beautiful. That’s very powerful.
John Kozicki (34:59.235)
Well, this was a rough one in so many ways.
Mandy (35:00.75)
Yeah.
John Kozicki (35:08.109)
Man, I’m gonna miss Greg. I am.
So let’s just leave it at that. All right.
Mandy (35:16.96)
And you know what, I just, I do though, wanna, you know, our hearts go out to his wife and kids and that community too. I have to say, you know, gotta say that. Thinking about them during this really tough time.
John Kozicki (35:25.475)
Mm-hmm.
John Kozicki (35:33.251)
Yeah, yeah. Okay, on that, we will wrap it up.
Mandy (35:36.194)
Mmm.
Alright, see you next time. Bye, John.
John Kozicki (35:41.104)
Okay, bye.
